spoke about m.e.s. — the music engagement scale.

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attentiveness:
- none whatsoever
- emerging: some fragments
- established: sustained engagement over time
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cues are visual-attention, emotional response, etc.
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active music making: not in sync with therapist.
- emerging: not in sync with the therapist, fragmented.
- established: not fragmented.
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interactive: related with the therapist.